New treatment with virtually no postoperative pain!

Discussion in 'Pilonidal News' started by dr2020, Sep 7, 2012.

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Would you be willing to travel abroad, if you knew that your suffering could be put to an end?

  1. YES, anything that would put an end to the pain.

    31.3%
  2. YES, if I had more information.

    37.5%
  3. NO, treatment abroad is not an option.

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  1. dr2020

    dr2020 New Member

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    Pilonidal cysts can now be treated with a super-thin laser - with a fiber optic diameter of 400 microns (less than half a millimeter), which makes the beam diameter just one thousandth of a millimeter. This method allows for complete healing of all fistulas and dermoids, without excision of the inflammatory structure. There is no longer a need for massive tissue removal – which means no large wounds or fissures.
    After an ultrasound examination of the Pilonidal cyst, it is sealed off with a laser beam; the abscess is opened by two tiny laser incisions and removed. After removal, the laser beam is focused on the closed cavity, and in this way the previously disinfected inflammatory cavity is drawn together and reduced. The area in which the fistula was removed is automatically disinfected and sterilized with the laser beam.
    A minor post-surgical treatment of the external tissue must be performed. The minimal invasive laser procedure, allows for complete healing within two to three weeks.
     
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    What's to prevent a recurrence? A big advantage of the cleft lift is it minimizes the anatomical source of the problem.
     
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    Can you advice if this procedure is available in the US ?
    Any website or link will be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Hi Robert, there are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding the current treatments of P.C., and all I can say is that I agree with your point that the cleft lift has huge advantages over the traditional methods.

    The laser method has defintely proven that reoccurrences are a thing of the past, however the true advantage is that there is no need for cutting you open, and removing major amounts of tissue. It's quick and effective method that up until now, has been a well kept secret. But I hope to change that in the near future, because it is a revolutionary development and is helping hundreds of people to be healed from this devilish disease.

    Unfortunately, the knowledge is in the hands of 1 single doc, and his appointment plan is jammed packed. We are working to change that so we can help more people worldwide, and any ideas from that are generated from this forum are greatly appreciated.

    I look forward to your feedback.
     
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    We arec urrently working on translating the website into english, and it should be up and running in few weeks. However, as far as getting treatment in the U.S. it is possible, but we would need to have our doc flown in to do that, and I don't know if that would make financial sense for you, or your insurance company. Many patients fly in from all over the world to be treated here in Germany, and I am responsible for coordinating that. So if you are interested in more details, I would be more than happy to give you details.

    Hope that this helps! :)
     
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    Hello,

    can you give me more details in Germany if it's available in Munchen and the cost of that

    Thanks
     
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    Hi JohnSP, I apologize for now getting back sooner but things have been hectic. The operation is only available in Nuernberg, and generally costs around 13,000 $ depending on severity. If you are located in the U.S. we would arrange travel and pick-up in Munich.

    If you are interested in more details I can provide you with an E-Mail address that you can send photos and any diagnostic info to. That way the clinic can give you an exact price for the whole package.

    Best regards,
    Matthew
     
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    i dont live in USA , i asked in Munich cause i have a member of family there so he can help & care of me on that time, i could travel to Nurenberg no problem
    just need to get more info about that Lazer method , is it better then cleft lift ? no recurrence ? how many days will take to get healt after the operation ?

    yes send me the website you are talking about even in germany langage if not yet translated to english

    is there any video that show how the lazer operation work ?

    thank you
     
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    The laser method is phenomenal. There has not been a patient yet that we couldn't help. We get many patients who have had years of chronic problems, that no one was able to help. The walk away healed, and have no reported recurrences. Since only two tiny laser incisions are needed for this method, the average recovery time is 2-3 weeks. Meaning that you can be back to work and enjoying normal activities.

    If you would be so kind as to send your E-Mail address, Iwill be more than happy to get you more details. Once you provide us with the documentation and photos, and we have time to evaluate the severity, we can setup a videoconference call with our surgeon so he can explain the procedure and quote you a price for the operation. I'm curious, does your health insurance company cover this type of operation?

    I look forward to hearing from you.
     
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    The laser method is phenomenal. There has not been a patient yet that we couldn't help. We get many patients who have had years of chronic problems, that no one was able to help. They walk away healed, and have no reported recurrences. Since only two tiny laser incisions are needed for this method, the average recovery time is 2-3 weeks. Meaning that you can be back to work and enjoying normal activities.

    If you would be so kind as to send your E-Mail address, Iwill be more than happy to get you more details. Once you provide us with the documentation and photos, and we have time to evaluate the severity, we can setup a videoconference call with our surgeon so he can explain the procedure and quote you a price for the operation. I'm curious, does your health insurance company cover this type of operation?

    I look forward to hearing from you.
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    haven't heard back from you, so I assume that you were treated somewhere else, or were you able to get an appointment in Nürnberg already?
     
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    I'm curious about this "phenomenal" laser treatment.
    Is there a specific name for this procedure and have there been any studies done to show how effective it is over time?
     
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    Up until this point the procedure has been a well kept secret (for whatever reason). I assume that the doc here in Germany performing the procedure doesn't realize just how "phenomenal" it is. And as you can probably tell I am trying to change that, by getting the word out on the street.

    To answer your questions: 1. No, it doesn't have a name, and 2. a study has not been done as of this time. However, there are plenty of patients who have been successfully treated. Some with very mild symptoms, all the way up to patients that have been suffering for many, many years. In fact, most patients that have been treated with this method have severe, chronic symptoms. In a "nutshell" it works and the clinic can provide "before" and "after" photos that helps. They also provide free consultation prior to the operation directly at the clinic, via video conference, or telephone.

    Hope that helps :)!
     
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    Is this based in germany? Where is the website about this? Whats your source?
     
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    Yes, it is based in Germany, and you can view the english version at www.wallensteinklinik.de :)
     
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    Are there any patients your Dr has treated who could post their experience on here? Hearing a personal experience would surely help spread the word. German is fine (google can translate close enough for those unable to understand german).
     
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    Hi Nick, you can see a few patient responses in english on Dr. Koc's website at www.wallensteinklink.de. You can also get reports in German from patients on the following forum: http://forum.steissbeinfistel.info/...hmerzarme-methode-dank-lasertechnik-t494.html :)
     
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    It just does not make sense that US docs would not have picked up on this. Something doesn't appear right. No articles, no studies, and the above link not in English. Laser makes sense...but....
     

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